I had to play my grand ouvert with 4 as a GH-Schneider Annou

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I had to play my grand ouvert with 4 as a GH-Schneider Annou

Postby SKatCLE » 13 Jan 2010 11:22

:cj :sj :hj :dj :da :d10 :sa :s10 :sq :s7

I was dealt this wonderful hand in Las Vegas in round 2 of the 2010 tournament. Although the temptation was great, because I have never had any grand ouverts in tournament play, I played the percentages and did not risk a guaranteed 192 point winner (+50 more for a won game) to score 72 more against the prospect of losing -528 points (-50 more for a lost game). That's a painful 820 point swing! Plus my three opponents at the table get an easy 30 points each.

So I played it as GH-Schneider Announced. Turns out (of course) the three spades were indeed split and I would have made it. So I took the extra 24 points for making a schwarz as my consolation, along with the satisfaction that I played correctly and did not anger the "Skat gods" with idiotic play. I do that often enough already. :lol:

Bill
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Re: I had to play my grand ouvert with 4 as a GH-Schneider Annou

Postby skatlink1 » 28 Apr 2010 13:06

Nice hand Bill! but my question to you is how many grand ouverts have you played?I have won 3 and lost 3.If you've never lost a grand ouvert you've never felt the pain.which is a big part of this game.here is a grand O that I won and one I lost

:cj :sj :hj :ca :c10 :ck :ha :h10 :sa :s10

in hinterhand I lost it playing 3 cents a point against T Lang he lead with 1 of his 5 hearts and middle hand had the jack.

Then I had
:cj :sj :ca :c10 :c8 :ha :h10 :hk :h9 :da

again in Hhand bid from middle hand of 33.the lead was :c7 and :cq .I take the trick and say well guys do you got me,and both say ya at the same time,both had no more clubs thinking that the other player had the remaining 2 clubs ,but guess what was in the skat.ya the other 2 clubs ,boy did we laugh.
what was my theory behind calling a grand ouvert with this hand.Well I thought about the hand for a while and I could n't come up with a call that made eny sense.Even just grand hand is loosable,but the hand looked so good I just knew there was more to call,I got to announce schnieder,then for some reason I thought if the jacks are split which they have to be,there is a high chance that there is 1 club in the skat according to the bid,making this game a schwartz.The crazy things that go through my head when I play.So now in my mind jacks where split and there was a club in the skat ,just hope each player has a club.Grand Ouvert.Now I have a great GO story to tell.You got to love this game.Next time you get that hand Bill play the GO win or loose you'll enjoy the experience.

Ron
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Re: I had to play my grand ouvert with 4 as a GH-Schneider Annou

Postby skatlink1 » 28 Jul 2010 16:22

Ok Guys What do you play and announce in middle hand with these cards? :cj :sj :hj :ha :h10 :hk :h9 :h8 :h7 :ca .
Now a good friend of mine had this hand in Saskatoon,He is a top notch player.But I disagreed with his play on this hand.
I believe a few people out there might even play a Grand overt with this hand.You would have lost,you have around 20% chance of loosing the GO.
So like my friend,we won't mention names.He played a Grand hand-Schneider announced,which I believe 80% of you would do.
Now granted he had a fairly good score and was doing fairly well in the tournament,and one might take the money and run.
Myself I play Grand hand-Schneider announced-Schwartz announced .What? Why? for the 24 extra pts risk 532pts.
Ron your crazy.No I am Not,I just did the math and I go for the win and thrills of the game.
Playing the hand open I will loose 20 out of a 100 ,but not playing open and the degree of difficulty for the defense I will loose this game 2 x out of 100.
First I will probably never get 100 of these games in my life,so it would be a thrill to loose one ever and if I got got 100 and lost 2 of them that would be 1064pts lost playing this hand but If i always announce Schwartz I gain 98 x 24 =2352 ,so in the long run I am gaining 13pts /list by taking that risk.
To Prove my point further the hand did sit bad,FH had the blank :hq and HH had :dj ,but my friend did make Schwartz.
There is a hand out there called Grand Hand -Schneider Schwartz announce and that was one of them.Otherwise your telling me there is no such game .
Bill's hand above could also be announced this way,But the degree of difficulty for the defense is no as good.In Bills hand if K sit with 3 in one hand a good defense can figure that out quite easily.Its more GO or not.In this hand they have 1 chance to make the right move or its over.A good time to order a drink.lol
Enjoy the game guys Ron
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